3/20 The Republic

1. What are Socrates' main arguments against the idea that justice is whatever the strong (government) says it is?
I thin k that one of the best arguments was in pp. 20 340 b. Socrates says " But having made both the assumptions he went on to admit that the stronger sometimes give orders which are not in their interest and which their weaker subjects obeys". I believe that this is a great example of a good argument because he really explains his point well. Homie T is trying to say that justice is the interest of the stronger party, injustice is the interst and the profit of oneself.
2. What are Thrasymachus' two main points and what are Socrates two main points in response?
Homie T's two main points:
1) He uses the example of a person who gets caught committing a crime and is seen as a person of wrongdoing. But when he gets away with it they see him as a lucky person.
2) He tries to prove that justice is the interst of the stronger party...
Socrates' two main points:
1) He thinks that Homie T hasn't made it clear and that he is trying to say that injustice pays better than justice.
2) He uses the example of the sheperd and how the sheperd eats the sheep he has be raising.

3) Is it ever right to harm somebody? why or why not? what would Socrates/ homie T say in response to your answer?
I think that it isn't right to kill or harm some one because its seen wrong in God's eyes. I think that Socrates would agree with me because two wrongs don't make a right. For example when a person kills some one it isn't right to kill him for that. That is how the government think that the law is right when its wrong. I think that homie T would not agree with me because he believes more in the definition of justice a sthe government says it.